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Christianity … a target of NBC

Ed HahnenbergI must admit I am not a fan of NBC. However, recent actions by the network have me wondering where this outlet is going with its programming. In a recent Saturday Night Live episode three days after Ash Wednesday, the beginning of the Lenten season, on NBC, Christoph Waltz hosted the program adding yet another “historical fantasy” to his résumé.

The only difference?  This time, it wasn’t soldiers or a former slave exacting revenge — it was Jesus Christ. The fake movie trailer for “Djesus Uncrossed” featured the Savior brandishing guns and blowing away Romans. Blood and gore and profanity spewed across flat screens from coast to coast; at one point Jesus sliced a man’s head in half.

Images such as the one below show Christ crowned with thorns and attached to His cross using an assault rifle to kill Romans, in this blasphemous revenge fantasy.

Offending Christians is apparently what passes for entertainment these days. The left-leaning Huffington Post asked: “How did SNL get away with this?”

NBC removed the words “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance during a produced video that aired during the U.S. Open.

The network has also produced religion-bashing shows like “The New Normal” and “The Book of Daniel.”

I used to watch Chris Matthews’ “Hardball.”  Matthews is a cradle Catholic. He is the product of Catholic schools raised by a devout family. In person he comes across as a nice guy, personable and kind. Laura Ingraham, also a Catholic commentator, had this to say about him recently:

“ But then something happened on the way to his becoming MSNBC’s new Keith Olbermann. At a speech recently in Washington, he sniffed that people ‘become Catholic’ because they’re ‘really anti-gay.’ …. Now imagine if a conservative said something like, ‘If you’re really into terrorism, you become a Muslim’? There would be an international outpouring of condemnation of Matthews and the MSNBC platform he occupies. But he goes for the soft targets — he knows full well, from all his years of Catholic study, that we will merely pray for him, so that he may have greater wisdom and understanding. Will he apologize? I frankly don’t care if he does. Have a good Lent, Chris.”

So, from my view-point on the right, NBC, MSNBC, and even ABC, are becoming increasingly anti-Christian … in a country that’s 70% Christian. Crossing the line of decency such as this might even give “Russia Today” (RT),  available on Dish TV, a good name.

  • Bobdisqus

    Matthews or RT, at least Gayane Chichakyan at RT is easy on the eyes:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L033M6wqNCI

    RT like Xinhua has its mission and it is fun to laugh when they fail to understand the culture and do not notice their leg is getting pulled.
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/27/world/asia/north-korea-china-onion

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=B3SfivTK8m4

  • Ed Hahnenberg

    Kenjo…So it has been called. A parody. I’m a Catholic Christian who is not pro-revenge, not pro-gun (I’d melt all of them except those used for sport or national/state defense), against the death penalty, and, obviously, pro-Christianity. What planet does academy winner Waltz and those who like his work live on? I’ll watch “Police Academy” for a parody. Waltz’s work is stupid and blasphemous garbage.

  • Ed Hahnenberg

    Matthew…No, NBC does not have a formal anti-Christian message stated anywhere. Why would they? it’s better for their dismal ratings Gene pointed out if they keep their mouth shut. However, by what their fruits are,
    one can know them. Matthew 7:15

    You betcha the Church’s position is anti-gay…love the sinner but confront the objective evil homosexuality is.

    • Matthew Bertrand

      First, you ignored half of my questions, so you’re clearly not aiming for honesty. Second — wow — I’m sad to hear you live in such an awful world. Many of my best friends are gay. They lead happy, loving lives, working to make the world around them a better place. Why do you feel the need to make love into something evil? Those are your beliefs, not objective reality. How can you in one breath allege that the world is out to get you and then in the second breath affirm that you’re out to disrupt people’s lives, calling their love evil? You’re hurting the people I love, and so you’re hurting me as well. Please stop.

      • Ed Hahnenberg

        Matthew…Gladly. If one doesn’t live by the natural divine plan of heterosexual monogamy, that style is objectively evil. I didn’t answer all your questions because I could see where you were going…not a path I feel worth following. I don’t disrupt lives unless what I write pricks their conscience.

        • Matthew Bertrand

          Will you really? Admittedly I’m making an assumption that beyond calling my friends and family evil you would also organize against their rights to love who they love. Even if you do nothing more than speak, in using your speech to paint my friends and family as evil at the very least you support others who would deny people important to me their right to be, to live unmolested, and to love, in my opinion our highest calling. Natural divine plan? Just as you used the word “objective” earlier to define your beliefs, you again proclaim your beliefs to be the law of the land and of the world, and you seem to claim to speak for the divine. These are only your beliefs — I do not appreciate your efforts to push them on me, on my friends, on my family, and in this community of which we are a part.

          • Ed Hahnenberg

            Matthew… You continue to make an erroneous leap in your reasoning. I paint none of your friends and family as evil. The gay lifestyle goes against natural law, and thus contrary to the plan for human beings in such matters. Jesus never mentioned it because it was considered so abhorrent to Jewish law. St. Paul did, and for 2000 years, the gay lifestyle has always been philosophically and theologically considered against divine law by Christianity.

          • jeff4

            Leviticus????????? Ed, how many times have you told me the OLD TESTAMENT IS NOT TO BE FOLLOWED??????????????????????????????????? Lets ban shellfish next. Lets stone to death people who have affairs???????????? Come on. How many times did JESUS the son of GOD, GOD in the FLESH at one with GOD mention homosexuality??? How many? answer that one question.

          • Ed Hahnenberg

            J4…First of all, I specifically referred to three major religions. 1)Judaism, which, in Leviticus, is explicit on the subject of the gay lifestyle. 2) Islam, also very harsh. 3) Christianity, which does not buy into everything in the OT, but has St. Paul’s condemnation in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10…another in the author of Romans 1:26-27.

            As to Jesus, God in the flesh, I have pointed out to you before (and in a reply here) that Jesus never mentioned it because it was considered so abhorrent in Jewish law. Jesus didn’t address a lot of things. One noticeable exception was his condemnation of divorce in Mk 10:11-12 and again in Lk 16:18. That should give you some idea of what Jesus thought of the gay lifestyle, which, I think, is much more disordered than divorce.

          • jeff4

            So now you are using two religions YOU DISAGREE WITH AND TOTALLY DONT BELIEVE IN to support your argument??????? Come one Ed, that’s bad logic. Did Jesus mention MURDER? Yes, so what you are saying is that being gay is WORSE than being a murderer? Ed, that’s about as whacko as it gets. Jesus doesnt mention the REALLY bad things like being gay, only the moderately bad things like murder, divorce, ??

          • Ed Hahnenberg

            J4…Wrong. I agree with portions of the Koran, in its monotheism and condemnation of murder, homosexuality, and abortion. As a Christian, the OT has much I agree with obviously…the10 commandments is a good example. No, homosexuality is not as bad as murder or abortion, but the lifestyle is still a serious disordered violation of natural law which I maintain is part of divine law.

          • Matthew Bertrand

            Hi Ed,

            I am so sorry for my misunderstanding — I am so glad to hear that when you said “confront the objective evil homosexuality is” you meant everyone who is gay EXCEPT for my friends and family. I am thrilled to hear that you’re willing to make exceptions for some people. Why only exceptions for me and mine, when so many others are similarly hurt by the rhetoric of evil that you peddle, who also love good people who are gay?

            I am curious to know what you think of the branches of Abrahamic religion that have chosen to interpret their faith in a way that is not anti-gay. The Episcopalians, the Unitarians, The United Church of Christ, the Evangelical Lutheran Church, Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist Judaism, etc. Wikipedia explores the various teachings — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_homosexuality. Do you have the hubris to say that Yours is the Only Way? Perhaps you are also the Light and the Way. It is your choice it create a hell on earth for people who are gay, and for those of us who love them. Please stop using your words to hurt the people I care about.

            I am an Eagle Scout. I am of a Catholic background. I am young. My faith requires inclusion of people who are gay. Traditional religion is losing young people in part for its intolerance of people who are different. Ed, there is a better way — I have faith that you will find the heart to be more open and accepting of people who are different than you. These are good people, who share love, hopes, dreams, who give back to their community, who invest themselves in future generations, who deserve the right to love who they are called to love.

          • Ed Hahnenberg

            Matthew…There are some people who are paid to root out invasive plant species in certain areas. I remember, while on the Lake Michigan beach in the Sleeping Bear National Park last summer, a group of people paid by the Park Service came by with shovels in hand rooting out Baby’s breath. Maybe that’s what I am trying to do…help save this country from becoming a Sodom.

          • Matthew Bertrand

            I appreciate the response — I had not intended to make it easy on you to end the conversation. I also feel like I can better appreciate where you’re coming from with how you’re speaking here. I hope you understand especially from posts like Jeff’s and some of mine in the past that, just as it’s easy to get riled up fighting sin, it’s also easy to get riled up defending love ones. I read your parable of the two sons — I enjoyed it. Just as you and I interpret biblical teachings differently, I perhaps interpret your parable differently as well. I think of my friends who are gay who wish to be married and raise children together. They disobey your prescriptions for their actions (“go work” or “go be heterosexual”), but they seek to act in accordance with the intention — to live well together for each other and for community, to form a stable social relationship, one acknowledged and respected by society, and even to raise healthy, happy children. To me, these are elements of the spirit of marriage, and it’s one that my friends strive towards, despite obstacles from society. I do not expect all churches to recognize their relationship and think it would be wrong to force any church to do so, but I do expect civil society to meet standards of equality, and I expect that churches that would like to recognize such relationships as marriage be allowed to do so.

            Perhaps you looked me up, but it is my job to communicate to our community why people are rooting up babys breath and other plants like it. I enjoy the challenge — it’s far from obvious why such actions might be worth the time and effort. As part of teaching the complexity, I am careful to let people know that our actions are based on current scientific understanding, and that as our awareness of the complexity changes sometimes our management efforts must adapt. This is in part to help folks understand why exactly we’re asking in some cases significant changes to address a problem they did not know existed. But it’s also to say that we must be open to each other in our communication so that we may best be able to meet community needs in a rapidly changing world. I think our lines of communication are more open now, which I appreciate.

          • Ed Hahnenberg

            Matthew…I think you nailed it when you wrote “it’s easy to get riled up fighting sin, it’s also easy to get riled up defending love ones.”

          • jeff4

            Matt, you are sooooooooooooooooooooooo right!

        • jeff4

          Ed aren’t there more important things to condemn (like child rape by church people) than the gay lifestyle? They are NOT hurting you? they are in loving relationships with people who love them back. period.

          • Ed Hahnenberg

            J4…We have wandered so far away from my blog. I have addressed your issue in the past. Check my past blogs and your replies.

          • jeff4

            you sure have Ed. I agree. I picture a long haired guy wearing sandals, talking peace, talking about loving your neighbor, talking about feeding the poor, healing the sick. I picture a hippie dude saying the meek shall inherit the earth. Turn your swords into plowshares. I dont picture him saying to a gay couple “your lifestyle is an abhorrent mutation of nature.” I dont picture him repealing welfare for small children and the poor like Paul Ryan wants. What do you picture?

          • Ed Hahnenberg

            J4…I picture Christ telling the adulterous woman…”I don’t condemn you, but go and avoid this sin in the future.”

  • Ed Hahnenberg

    Ruthann….I’ve posted it before http://blogs.record-eagle.com/?p=9675. I am not pro-gun. I do not understand Christians who carry weapons or seek gun permits. Though not as nutty as Doomsday Preppers who would kill anyone who tried to enter their underground bunkers (what a bunch of morally offensive loonies), they’re a close second. Live by the gun; die by the gun. Matthew 26: 52.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kooyman Richard Kooyman

      Thankfully we live in a country with a constitution that insists on a separation of church and state. That means you get to believe in what ever religion you choose.
      What you don’t get to do is impose your religious beliefs on others. Again, thankfully that has become more and more accepted as public policy. I can’t stop you from voicing your archaic and ridiculous hate speech against people who have a different sexual persuasion that you do. Why this newspaper would entertain your out of date and crude opinion I have no idea. But again thankfully we as a country are finally, slowly beginning to realize that gay and lesbian people deserve the same rights and privileges as anyone. State by state we can see the realization that sexual preference plays no part in prohibiting whether people can get married and increasingly we are beginning to realize that any religious condemnation, such as what you have expressed here, should play no role what so ever in our civil discourse.

  • Kenjo

    I expect Jesus is much more bothered by the death of the children and others killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School, and the 10s of thousands of Americans killed in gun violence each year than he is by this SNL skit. I also espect he is even more saddened that even this tradgedy is not changed supposed Christian Americans to action. Last night Pat Robertson on the supposed “Christian Broadcasting Network” was pushing Christians to NOT control our gun, and at lunch supposed Christian Bill Federer was doing the same.

    • Ed Hahnenberg

      Kenjo…You are right when you point out that a lot of conservatives are pro-gun. I don’t support Pat Robertson, nor Bill Federer, nor Ruppert Murdoch in this position…nor have I much sympathy for deporting any hard-working “illegal” immigrant.

  • Kenjo

    Ed- So you are upset that Chris Mathews is not as anti-gay as yourself. I’m curious that it doesn’t seem to bother you that the “supposed” Christians at Fox don’t really project Christ like values, either on guns or in their lives. I guess as long as they are conservatives its ok? As a devote Catholic doesn’t it bother you that Rupport Murdoch, billionaire owner of Fox, the Wall Street Journal, and others, divorced his wife to marry a woman 40 years younger than him 17 days later…at least in his OTHER divorces he had the decency to wait a couple of months!

  • http://www.record-eagle.com Record-Eagle Webmaster

    Thank you for your comments everyone. We at the Record-Eagle feel this thread has run its course and are ready to move on to other topics. Thanks again.

    • Ed Hahnenberg

      Thank you!

    • Bobdisqus

      What is it you would protect us from? Ideas and beliefs are exactly what we should be talking about. Matthew, Jeff, Kenjo, and the gay rights chorus have their beliefs as does Ed. The record eagle does not serve the community well by pretending such differences of opinion do not exist or hiding from them.

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