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Troy Keith, The Armchair ConservativeIn the 2004 presidential election, three states (Wisconsin, Iowa and New Mexico) had less than a 1 percent margin determining the race between John Kerry and George Bush. Fewer than 10,000 votes decided the winner in New Hampshire, and the outcomes of 11 states were decided by less than 5 percent of the total vote.

With such a small margin of error, the issue of voter fraud becomes increasingly relevant, particularly given this year's extremely close presidential race and the palpable divide that currently exists within our country.

Walter Dean Burnham, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Texas, has called our current process “the modern world’s sloppiest electoral system.” Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia states "Just as in 1960, the temptation to steal votes in key swing states will be enormous.”

I would have to agree.

In the case of Wisconsin (2004), Kerry won by 11,000 votes. According to research by Hans A. von Spakovsky, investigators found the following occurrences of voter fraud in Milwaukee alone (one city):

  • 5,217 “students” who were registered to vote at a polling place located within the University of Wisconsin—Milwaukee who listed as their residence as an on-campus dormitory that housed only 2,600 students
  • At least 220 ineligible felons who had voted
  • 370 addresses that were not legal residences in the city
  • Residents of other states who registered and voted in Milwaukee
  • Numerous staffers from out of state who were working for the Kerry campaign or the Environ ­mental Victory Campaign, a political action committee, and who illegally registered and voted in Milwaukee
  • Hundreds of homeless individuals registered as living at office buildings, at store fronts, and in multiple locations who were “able to vote in different districts and, by sheer number, could have an impact on a closely contested local election.”

Modern voter fraud comes in many guises and occurs at all levels of the voting process. Currently, only 27 states require electronic voting machines to produce a voter-verified paper trail, although legislation is pending in another dozen states. Sadly, computer and technology issues represent only a small fraction of the questionable activity. More often than not, attempts to subvert the democratic process are generally much more direct and require considerably little technical expertise.

One of the more common methods involves placing a small bit of pencil lead beneath a thumbnail. As corrupt poll workers sort through results, they will discretely make additional marks on ballots cast against their candidate, thereby invalidating that voter's entry. There are numerous ways of perpetrating voter fraud that I will not be discussing here.

Far simpler and much more anonymous methods are employed by questionable groups like ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) that continue to work tirelessly to interject their own agenda into the election process.

In September of 2008, James Terry of the Consumers Rights League testified at a joint House Administration and Judiciary Committee oversight hearing stating:

ACORN routinely says it will clean up its act. Yet, given its decade-long history of voter fraud, embezzlement, and misuses of taxpayer funds, ACORN’s pattern of fraud can no longer be dismissed as a series of ‘unfortunate events.’

We know about the thousands of potentially fraudulent voter registration cards turned in by ACORN and caught by officials. But given the size of ACORN’s efforts and the fact that the abuses appear to be systemic, we believe it is fair to question how many more fraudulent registrations have not been discovered.

From a Wall Street Journal article:

ACORN and its affiliates have pulled some real stunts in recent years. In Ohio in 2004, a worker for one affiliate was given crack cocaine in exchange for fraudulent registrations that included underage voters, dead voters and pillars of the community named Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy and Jive Turkey. During a Congressional hearing in Ohio in the aftermath of the 2004 election, officials from several counties in the state explained ACORN’s practice of dumping thousands of registration forms in their lap on the submission deadline, even though the forms had been collected months earlier.

Recently in Michigan, according to a Detroit Free Press article:

ACORN’s Michigan branch, based in Detroit, has enrolled 200,000 voters statewide in recent months, mostly with the use of paid, part-time employees.

“There appears to be a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications,” said Kelly Chesney, spokeswoman for the Michigan Secretary of State’s Office. “And it appears to be widespread.”

ACORN is “looking into the problem.”

Seattle prosecutors filed felony charges against ACORN last week in what has been described as the worst case of voter-registration fraud in state history. Seven ACORN workers submitted 1,800 voter registration cards, but when election officials reviewed the registrations, only six turned out to be legitimate and verifiable. In 2004, the Democratic governor won by 129 votes after three recounts and here we have one instance, in one city, where ACORN has put forth 1,800 fraudulent registrations.

I have written previously about Obama's questionable ties to ACORN, his work with the Woods Fund, the Chicago Annenburg Challenge and his legislative efforts on behalf of the ACORN. The group also has substantial ties to the initial financial bail-out and the "crisis" with Fannie and Freddie. The information is readily available to anyone that wishes to delve into the matter.

NRO contributing editor Stanley Kurtz has done extensive research into ACORN's questionable history and Obama's ties to the corrupt organization, but little mention of this is being made in the MSM.

John Fund, Wall Street Journal columnist and author of Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy has also chronicled numerous instances of voter fraud in previous elections.

Some of the more recent developments are outlined below.

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports:

U.S. Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) for services the Democrat’s campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports.

More than 1,200 payments to ACORN were classified as being for “advance work” in the Obama campaign ledgers.

ACORN's "community organizers" are already actively manipulating the vote in Ohio after Democratic Secretary of State, Jennifer Brunner created a new rule that allows Ohio citizens to register and vote on the same day. Brunner also gave an advisory opinion to counties saying that election monitors are no longer required.

When speaking in Ohio last week, Obama was asked by a supporter in the crowd:

I would like to know what you can say to reassure us that this election will not be rigged or stolen? [applause] — or stolen? [applause]

Obama replied:

It helps in Ohio that we have Democrats in charge of the machines. But, look, I come from Chicago. Some want to be honest, it is not as if it is just Republicans who have monkeyed around with elections in the past. Sometimes Democrats have, too.

The same day vote law went into effect on Monday, Oct 1st and Ohio's homeless are already benefiting. One "organizer" offering free rides to polling stations states:

"It's a perfect opportunity for them to come in, register at a temporary address like a homeless shelter or a YMCA or something like that. They can register at that address because they don't know where they're going to be tomorrow or next week."

The Miami Herald ran a previous story on voter pay-offs: "$10 buys one vote"

A man with a wad of cash was paying for votes. As word spread, dozens of people boarded vans, headed downtown and cast absentee ballots — in exchange for $10 each.

Thomas Felder took the money. “I had no choice. I was hungry that day, ” said Felder, who is out of work and broke. “You wanted the money, you were told who to vote for — 212, Suarez.” That was Miami Mayor Xavier Suarez’s number on the runoff ballot.

“I did it to get paid, that’s all, ” said Mary Ludlow, 32. She said she was told to vote for Suarez, and did.

Surely the same thing is happening now.

Only one day into Ohio’s early registration event, radio commentator Maggie Thurber cites a case where a homeless man votes in Ohio before returning to Chicago. Click the link to watch video of the story.

Another beneficiary of the "get out the vote campaign" commented:

"They picked me up. They seen me walkin' around. So they said, ‘You wanna vote?' I said, ‘Yeah, I'll vote.' (laughs) They said, ‘We'll take you anywhere you want.' I said, ‘That's cool'…If they say ‘sign the ballot,' just give 'em and do exactly what they want you to do.' I mean, hey, this is America, you know?" (laughs).

Who are you voting for? [asked] "Barack! I mean, I want him to do his thang. You know, do his thug thizzle. You know. That's how I like it to be. You know. (laughs)."

View the video here: (New voters get rides to polling places)

Clearly an informed voter, cognizant of the subtle nuances within the positions of both campaigns. Organizers hoped to sign up 1,000 like him by the end of the day yesterday — and more all week.

Third Base Politics reports:

An unnamed source…related a heartwarming story of a 15-passenger van dropping off a load of drunk, homeless guys at Vet's Memorial in Columbus. The organizers were just trying to allow these men to exercise their right to vote, but it seemed that they were all too drunk to get in line. What commenced was a "homeless rodeo" where the organizers had to wrangle the men from the parking lot and load them back in the van.

The group, Muslim Americans for Obama, has initiated illegal get out the vote drives directed at Mosques throughout the country, one in particular, Dar al-Hijrah in Falls Church, VA, is known for hosting a number of the 9/11 hijackers. Other targeted mosques are located in Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey and Ohio.

In a statement of clarification, Muslim Americans for Obama has noted to volunteers “that all voter registration activity is strictly non-partisan” (no advocacy on behalf of any candidate or party, whether written or verbal is permitted). Hmm…

Obama has currently raised more than $426 million with more than half of that amount coming from donors that the Obama campaign refuses to disclose. Until just recently, Obama's web site did not require proof of citizenship prior to contributing and millions in unverified foreign donations are raising questions. The FEC has created a new database of questionable overseas donations from more than 11,000 contributors totaling $33.8 million. At least 520 donors listed their state as “IR” (Iran).

Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi recently gave a speech touting the virtues of Senator Obama and suggested the foreign nationals were contributing to his campaign:

"All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man. They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency…”

In June of this year, the FEC requested verification from the Obama campaign for a number of donations from someone identified as Mr. Good Will — his employer is listed as “Loving” and his occupation is “You.”

The FEC has uncovered more than one thousand separate entries in the Obama campaign’s ledgers referencing Mr. Good Will.

The Obama campaign has also received more than 750 donations from a Mr. Doodad Pro (working for “Loving” in a profession of “You”).

I realize that politics is a dirty business. Both sides are most likely guilty of some manipulation but as with a previous piece about Obama's questionable past, the sheer number of these occurrences just seems to be more than what a reasonable person could chalk up to coincidence.

I'm sure the Republicans have their own issues, but in my research, I could find nothing close to the volume associated with ACORN and the Democrats. The money flows from the innocent springs of good intentions and community activism, but it's filtered with greed and corruption on its way to the highest elected leaders of our country.

As with much of my writing recently, the well originates on the streets of Chicago — to the same street shared by Obama, Bill Ayers and Louis Farrakhan. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood… would you buy mine, could you buy mine… won't you buy my election?

  • Jeff

    9 times you mention DEMOCRATS, Obama, and John Kerry in your article Troy. Then you tie in Muslims and Gadhafi to DEMOCRATS. You mention REPUBLICANS have done some wrong but you can’t find it. EQUITY MY MAN. I want equity. I’ll turn some democrat loose on you who has more enthusiasm than me and I’ll bet you $50 he can find just as much republican corruption in this area. Another reason i hate politics. he said she said, we’re back to square one.

  • Jeff

    OUCH !! LET THE HE SAID SHE SAID BEGIN !!

    The Los Angeles Times is reporting that the investigation of a Republican voter fraud scheme in California is likely to spread. The scheme, aimed at naturalized U.S. citizens of Latino heritage, has derailed the congressional campaign of Republican Tan Nguyen and officials are investigating whether the campaigns of any other Republicans are involved.

    REPUBLICAN ‘VOTE FRAUD’ ALLEGATIONS CONCEAL POLICY OF DENYING THE FRANCHISE TO POOR AND MINORITY VOTERS

    (Oct. 13) — Federal, state, and local officials are gathering information about allegations of voter registration fraud that were first raised Channel 8 Eyewitness News.

    An employee of a private voter registration firm alleges that his bosses trashed registration forms filled out by Democratic voters because they only wanted to sign up Republican voters.

    The allegations have set off a political firestorm stretching from Las Vegas to Washington D.C., and beyond.

    According to KLAS-TV, a former employee claimed hundreds, if not thousands, of Democratic registration forms were destroyed by a Sproul & Associates group called Voters Outreach of America

    One of my faves —- > http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/013581.php

    Possible Republican Voter Fraud
    Category: Politics
    Posted on: October 6, 2008 9:16 AM, by Ed Brayton

    Updated: Turns out this story was from 2004 and the state’s investigation found not enough evidence to convict. I should have done more research before putting up this post. I screwed up. My apologies.

    The familiar pattern in American politics is well known: Democrats accuse Republicans of voter suppression, Republicans accuse Democrats of voter fraud (though as Gerry Hebert of the Campaign Legal Center told me in an interview last week, almost all the evidence is in favor of the Democrats on this; voter fraud is quite rare). Here’s a case where it appears the Republicans may be engaging in voter fraud:

    Federal, state, and local officials are gathering information about allegations of voter registration fraud that were first raised Channel 8 Eyewitness News.
    An employee of a private voter registration firm alleges that his bosses trashed registration forms filled out by Democratic voters because they only wanted to sign up Republican voters.

    and on and on and on and on. You suppress, we cheat, is that equal ?? I hate politics.

  • Troy Keith

    [Jeff] It’s not that Republicans can do no wrong, it’s simply that there’s no comparison – absolutely nothing on the level of Acorn (Democrats) and the questionable associations that are once again coming from the left. If there is, please point it out. Also, I’m not “tying in” Muslims and Gadhafi – they’re already there. Again, if the story about ‘Muslim Americans for Obama’ isn’t true or if the problems cited with Barack’s foreign donations are inaccurate, please point out the details to me.

    “Equity” would mean that we’d have reasonable measures in place to ensure the validity of the elections. Photo ID’s, proof of citizenship and the ability to purge the voting rosters of dead and incarcerated people – all of which have been stridently fought by many on the left. By all means, please show me anything within the last decade that rivals what I’ve outlined here – real news, or congressional investigations, not just “allegations”, a case of Billy-bob throwing someone’s form in the trash or vague accusations in Democratic blogs like the dailykos. Something with coordination on a national level, pending charges in 14 states perhaps or maybe something that shows Republican voter fraud tied to foreign countries?

  • Troy Keith

    [Jeff 2] Yes.. a 4 year old story about “possible” R voter fraud in which the writer admits he was wrong, that he “screwed up” and he’s sorry – I found that one also (referenced about a thousand times) when I was researching this piece. I also found a few hundred pages with titles of “Republican voter fraud”, but they were empty pages waiting for someone to put something in there. I’m sure there are many true instances of Republican voter manipulation, but the reality is that it’s just nowhere near the same level as what we’re seeing now on the other side.

    Could it be that you hate politics so much because it forces you to confront the reality that so many of these core beliefs simply aren’t true? That sounds harsh, but I used to be a huge liberal in my younger days and I went through the same thing. Posters of the Rainbow Warrior (and a few pretty girls ) adorned my walls, “styrofoam kills” was my mantra.. my wife and I even picketed Burger King (on Garfield and Front) for using Icelandic Cod (killing whales). At some point, the light bulb just came on and I realized that the truth was much different than I had been told/led to believe.

    If you’re bringing the challenge, then take another look at this piece (above).. take a look at these previous ones:

    http://blogs.record-eagle.com/?p=1192
    http://blogs.record-eagle.com/?p=1186

    And tell me where they’re wrong. I admittedly have my own biases but I also try very hard to give accurate information – if it’s not, I’d be the first one to add a correction.

  • Al

    Troy Keith says there is “nothing comparable to ACORN” regarding the Republicans. How about using the Republican Secretary of Statae in Florida and the Republican majority on the Supreme Court to steal the election for President Cheney and Vice President Rove?

  • Troy Keith

    [Al] Florida was definitely a mess and I can only hope that things have been straightened out by now. As I recall, Republicans had to sue a number of counties because military absentee ballots were discarded.

    U.S. District Judge Lacey Collier stated:

    “It is truly an unfortunate circumstance when a citizen of the United States is denied the fundamental right to vote, whether residing in one of the several states or residing overseas,” Collier wrote in his ruling. “It is even more unfortunate when a vote cast by a member of the armed forces serving abroad is rejected for no legitimate or compelling reason.”

    As far as the rest of it goes, Bush won the first machine count and the second. He also won when the military absentee votes were finally added in. Bush won the recount mandated by the Florida Supreme Court (ruled unconstitutional by the USSC 9-0) and he most likely would have won further recounts had they been allowed. It was definitely close, but how many times can they be counted.. and how many stemmed from groups like ACORN that should have been eliminated right from the start?

    Even the Miama Herald and the NY Times had to concede..
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEEDB1338F931A25752C1A9679C8B63

    Herald: “REVIEW SHOWS BALLOTS SAY BUSH”

    “Republican George W. Bush’s victory in Florida, which gave him the White House, almost certainly would have endured even if a recount stopped by the U.S. Supreme Court had been allowed to go forward.”

    Times: “Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote”

    “A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year’s presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward”

  • Todd

    Both sides play dirty. ACORN’s actions are abhorrent, and Troy makes a good case for that.

    The weak and transparently fearmongering associations with Quadaffi, Muslims in general, and the terrorist Ayers, all taken from any, name it, Right Wing playbook, we can all do without. Still, this theme of naughty Barack and his naughtier bedfellows, (which Troy has been pushing for, so well done, Sir) has seemingly caught on within the Fox/Drudge Juggernaut, and is being parroted by the loud, but triumphantly dim Sarah Palin, the Pitbull. More like an annoying little terrier who doesn’t get the mouse because she forgot the particulars of the Rodent Doctrine.

    Still, the interesting question is why has the potential for electoral malfeasance erupted as an issue now? Because McCain is seeing the writing on the wall as the once close, but Red, swing states become Blue, like sadness. When the McCain camp sees Ohio for Obama by 3, Florida for Obama by 3, Nevada for Obama by 1.8, VA for Obama by 2.4, and NC for Obama by .5, it becomes very nervous, and sees the real possibility of an electoral landslide. You never know, it may need to play the fraud card at endgame.

    Still I agree with the overall sentiment expressed in Troy’s many words: Electoral fraud is bad. I am against it.

  • Troy Keith

    Rodent Doctrine.. nice. We won’t get into the softballs rolled down ‘tingling legs’ at Obama or Biden, nor should we discuss the extreme editing done on both of Palin’s MSM interviews, but I am happy to see that she has her voice back now. All things considered, I’d say she’s doing remarkably well for a newbie.

    Castro, Hamas, Qaddafi and just recently, Kim Jong Il.. sounds like the axis of evil will be stumping hard for Obama this month. We can also add Hezbollah, Ahmadinejad and Hugo Chavez along with the endorsement of a communist magazine called The People’s Weekly World which put out the following statement about Obama:

    “This diverse movement combines a variety of political currents and aims in a working coalition that is crucial to social progress at this point.”

    Yes.. “social progress”, that’s one term for it I suppose. Fear mongering? I guess I am a little scared by the prospect, but I still don’t understand why the fact that Obama pals around with terrorists, known criminals and a decidedly large group of people that have a discernable hatred for this country is not reasonable and fair game given the office he’s currently seeking.

    Aren’t his repeatedly poor judgments and the endorsements by nearly all of our enemies reason for some sort of legitimate concern? I still contend that if McCain worked with David Duke, lived on the same block and liked to have coffee and donuts at his house, the media would be unrelenting – and Duke is just an ignorant, racist fool (not a terrorist).

    I think the answer to your question at the end is simply because we’re looking at another very close race and there’s documented evidence of an ongoing effort at manipulating the outcome. Why play the fraud card later when it’s happening right now?

  • Linnaea

    Oh, these scary scary Muslims who would prefer that Obama win the presidency! I’m tired of the right implicating the radical actions of a few insane individuals with the vast majority of peaceful Muslims. And by the way, it’s not just the Muslim world who prefers Obama to McCain. It’s virtually the whole world. Check out this “Global Electoral College” vote hosted by The Economist magazine:
    http://www.economist.com/vote2008/?source=hpevents&source=hpevents
    Maybe you would say it doesn’t matter what the rest of the world thinks, since it’s the U.S. people who get to make the decision. But I would say we need someone who will talk to and work with the people of the world, someone who would move us away from the unilateral actions that have made the U.S. so unpopular worldwide. Maybe you would say it’s only the opinion of all these global “voters” that Obama would be better for the world, and once McCain took office, he would prove himself to them. But it sure wouldn’t look like the American people cared too much about world opinion if they voted in four more years of a party that led us down this path.

  • Troy Keith

    [Linnaea] Thank you for the link.. you make an interesting point although I didn’t find much information about the specifics of the Economist poll. It also seemed that only a handful of countries had more than 100 votes – most with considerably less. How was this poll advertised and what segments of the various populations comprised the majority of voters? For what it’s worth, I was able to sign up and vote from 2 different countries although I cancelled the 2nd one at the last minute. When you hear hoof beats, do you think of horses or zebras?

    I was not suggesting that Muslim support for Obama was “scary” in itself, but I am concerned that the MAFB group was illegally working with Mosques on his behalf. I also think it’s significant that so many anti-American leaders have expressed support for Obama.

    Our path has been chosen by both Democrats and Republicans and I’d bet that most foreign governments/leaders have a fair grasp of our system. Are you contending that our country should reflect the will of the global community? I’m not sure I can accept that as a legitimate case for Obama – in fact, I think it could be argued that more often than not, our national interests do not necessarily harmonize with those of other governments.

  • Jeff

    no, i can’t read that junk. My son is watching the debate right now. He said “Mom, how will we know who wins this debate?” (I refuse to watch it) She said “Well, the democrats will say they won, and the republicans will say they won….” he said, she said. done.

    no, I’m not confronting anything Troy. I hate politics. I hate the he said she said. done. I’m not posting again until after the election. I’m boycotting. I might even picket if i can find a sign i like and someplace to picket. Better yet, where’s my guitar. I’m pickin’ and a grinnin’ now.

  • Linnaea

    Troy, the poll doesn’t show how many people from each country has voted as far as I can tell. It shows how many electoral college votes it has based on its population. I think it’s fair to say that most of the responders to the poll were already readers of The Economist. Therefore, you might expect they are much more wealthy and educated than the average world citizen. That said, The Economist is known for its centrist or slightly right-of-center positions. In fact, its editorial staff used to support McCain, but has written recently of its disappointment in his “selling out” to the religious right and others that have been deemed essential to the Republican base.

    As for the significance of “anti-American” leaders expressing support for Obama, what would you expect them to do? Support the guy who will most likely continue policies that tarnished the U.S.’s image in their eyes, and for most of the world? Like it or not, the concerns these “anti-American” leaders have about the bullying role the U.S. has embraced in the last eight years, are legitimate. Many in our own country also have these same concerns, myself included obviously. That doesn’t mean I or Senator Obama agree with everything Hugo Chavez says, for example. To imply such a thing strikes me as reductionist on your part and falls into the same “us versus them” world view that has gotten us into so much trouble.

    And no, I’m not suggesting that our country should reflect the will of the global community. Obviously the U.S.’s national interest do not always harmonize with that of the world. But it is important to show willingness to listen to others and work together to achieve common goals. After all, our world is getting smaller and its people are becoming more inter-connected every day. In the last 8 years, we’ve been sorely lacking the type of leadership that helps elevate the U.S.’s status in the world. I think the Economist poll, despite its limited reach to all segments of the world’s population, shows that the overwhelming majority of world citizens believe that Barack Obama is the right choice to, yes, make a change and head things in a different direction.

  • Todd

    Softball is fun. She has a voice because Tina Fey gave her one.

    Please, Troy. Do you honestly believe that “extreme editing” explains away Sarah Palin’s exruciatingly apparent bewilderment? Can I explain Biden’s blather and gaffe’s away like that? No, and I don’t try. Jjust blink, and step outside of the vehemently anti-Obama optics you are trapped within, for a minute. Can you honestly sit there and say that you, as an American man, father, taxpayer etc, would feel comfortable with her as “next in line.” I can’t. And I liked her when she first came out, giving her a fair shot to prove that she has the chops. She doesn’t. She is a good story, a good right-wing icon, but she isn’t presidential material. This makes me question McCain’s judgment.

    And as to known nefarious characters endorsing Obama, and that this should give us pause, well I can come up with a few hypotheses which may explain this:
    1. Bush is too much of a scary cowboy
    2. Obama is a terrorist just like them.
    3. Obama is perceived as soft and they can take advantage of that.
    4. They actually want Bush in power, but are endorsing Obama as a reverse psych trick to amp up the Bush vote
    5. They want to get free Cubs tickets

    I think you are trying to make a case for #3. But quite frequently you come across as implying (never concluding) #2. And it is in this deliberate vagueness that a slow-creeping fear is born. This is not justified, in my opinion.

  • Andy Spencer

    It’s too bad this blog has become so partisan, and not just the comments. Troy, if someone makes an accusation that is not true, how can one logically prove it is not true? They cannot. The accuser will simply say that the explainer’s explanation is not complete and the truth is still out there in the darkness of the shadowy other side.

  • Andy Spencer

    Friends, do your research. Troy I am appalled by what I learn when I dig into some of the aritcles upon which you base this blog. You directed us to the newsmax.com article on Obama’s donors with this sentence:

    “Obama has currently raised more than $426 million with more than half of that amount coming from donors that the Obama campaign refuses to disclose.”

    So I click on the link to Newsmax. The article states, “Unlike the McCain campaign, which has made its complete donor database available online, the Obama campaign has not identified donors for nearly half the amount he has raised, according to the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP).”

    So then I went to the website for the Center for Responsive Politics to see if what the Newsmax aritcle says about Obama’s contribution disclosures is actually true. They (the CRP) give a ranking on the “Quality of Disclosure” for all presidential candidates. Obama’s score? 92 out of 100. McCain’s score? 88 out of 100. On top of that Obama provides “No Disclosure” for a total of 5% of all his contributions. McCain provides “No Disclosure” on 10% of all his contributions! This is according to the very source cited in the newsmax article, upon which you based part of this blog. Even the total amount of “undisclosed” contributions by McCain ($17,504,399) is more than the total amount of Obama’s “undisclosed” contributions ($14,294,243). In other words, the sources used by YOUR sources do not check out, at least in this case.

    So I really wonder if I dig into the other sources you used to support your point . . . how many of those sources could be shown to tell a completely different story than the spin you and Newsmax provide?

  • Troy Keith

    [Jeff] Political burnout seems to be going around.. Sounds to me like maybe you shouldn’t vote : ) While I’m not a Republican, I’d say that Obama won the debate hands down. If not for any reason other than the fact that McCain did not, or could not, clearly win it.

  • Troy Keith

    [Todd] Well, I still like her (Palin).. If for no reason other than the fact that she seems to express/answer the frustration that so many of us on the sinking McCain boat are feeling these days. If she has excelled so much in the last month, I think she’ll be a formidable contender in the years ahead.

    I don’t offer the editing as an excuse for her MSM interview performances, but I think Biden and Obama could have been shown in a similar light if the ‘gotcha intent’ was the same across the board. I posted links to the non-edited versions previously because they do indeed demonstrate a conscious effort to portray Palin in a negative light. If she’s as inept as you suggest, why couldn’t they simply let her go on her own rather than putting their own edited spin on her interviews? One has to wonder what negative items or gaffes may have been cut out of the Democratic segments and I just don’t like the idea of the media spoon feeding us their flavor of the day. We should get to see the whole menu and make up our own minds.

    The more I’m watching recent events, the less comfortable I’ve become with any of the four being next in line (or first for that matter). There’s no doubt that Obama is destined for the “black house” as Farrakhan is fond of saying. He clearly looks and sounds good on the surface and much of the world is apparently behind him, but that’s just it, he’s all about the surface level stuff – under that, the façade is crumbling and the foundation is cracked. Will his policies be better for the United States? I think they may indeed be better for the rest of the world, but I’m not so sure about us.

    I’m sure you meant to say “McCain” in your number 4 item..

  • Troy Keith

    [Andy] I appreciate the fact that you care enough to be informed and hope that you’ll continue to point out anything that may appear questionable – just as I hope that everyone will indeed continue to research the facts.

    I can see how the item you mentioned may given the wrong impression. Unfortunately, the public data and disclosure ratings on the CRP site refers ONLY to larger donations. It’s a confusing system and I should have been more specific, but the items in question are donations under $200 which are technically not required to be disclosed although John McCain claims to have made the full disclosures of all contributions available on his web site http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Donors/
    Just type $1 and $200 into the search fields and you’ll get the complete list.

    If you go to http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/donordems.php?cycle=2008 on the CRP web site, you’ll see that more than half of Obama’s contributions (the suspicious ones from Mr. Good Will, Middle East t-shirt sales etc.) are the smaller ones that are unaccounted for.

    I called NewsMax and emailed Mr. Timmerman for additional verification before speaking with a Mr. Dan Auble at the CRP who was able to offer a better explanation and admitted that on the surface, the numbers and ratings at CRP would appear misleading although he confirmed that the Timmerman claim was accurate.

    [Andy2] Well, I didn’t call this the Armchair Independent.. I believe strongly in Libertarian/Conservative principles as stated in the intro to this blog, “A Libertarian at heart, Troy believes that the role of government has been unreasonably expanded over the last century and now extends well beyond the original intent of the founding fathers.”

    I am biased, but I also try to be fair and present accurate information (I would guess that many would argue that point). As far as proving a negative, my logic is a little rusty, but the law of non-contradiction comes to mind.. If X is true than X cannot be ‘not true’. Another example might be that I didn’t shoot President Lincoln – and I can prove it!

  • Troy Keith

    [Linnaea] Thank you again for the link, but I think there’s far too much evidence against Acorn to brush this aside as a small percentage of “incomplete” registration forms. There are distinct, verifiable financial ties both to and from Washington, links to the housing bail-out bill, Obama’s campaign and even Ayers. Of course Acorn says they’re doing nothing wrong. Ed Brayton claims to offer “independent media”, but his site and ‘related posts’ show a clear bias. He even continues to prominently promote a story on Republican voter fraud with this disclaimer:

    “Editor’s Note: After publication, the author of this story, through further research on this case, discovered that the alleged voter fraud in Nevada detailed in this story occurred in 2004 and not 2008. The author further discovered that the ensuing investigation found no evidence of organized voter fraud. For these reasons, this story has been removed from the front page.”

    Well, I’m glad he took it off the front page at least..

    Just yesterday Acorn offices were raided in Nevada and they found numerous fraudulent registrations – apparently the entire starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys has submitted forms in Nevada.

    I’m sure that a majority of Acorn workers are just eager college kids that believe in what they’re doing, but I’m also equally sure that a considerable number of them also believe that the end justifies the means and a vote for Obama (or previous Dem candidates) is certainly worth a few overlooked “technicalities” in the voting process. I would guess that Acorn’s administration harbors a less idealistic viewpoint.

    When you look at the money, the leadership and the current trends, it would seem to be well orchestrated and intentional.

  • Troy Keith

    [Andy] My first reply was lost in the spam filter because of the links I included so I’ll post this one w/o..

    I appreciate the fact that you care enough to be informed and hope that you’ll continue to point out anything that may appear questionable – just as I hope that everyone will indeed continue to research.

    I can see how the item you mentioned may have given the wrong impression. Unfortunately, the public data and disclosure ratings on the CRP site refers ONLY to larger donations. It’s a confusing system and I should have been more specific, but the items in question are donations under $200 which are technically not required to be disclosed although John McCain claims to have made the full disclosures of all contributions available on his web site (his name then /informing and /donors/) Just type $1 and $200 into the search fields and you’ll get the complete list.

    There’s a link on the on the CRP web site (It’s under “Donor Demographics” and then “Contribution Size”). You’ll see that more than half of Obama’s contributions (the suspicious donations from Mr. Good Will, Middle East t-shirt sales etc.) are the smaller ones that are unaccounted for.

    I called NewsMax and emailed Mr. Timmerman for additional verification before speaking with a Mr. Dan Auble at the CRP who was able to offer a better explanation and admitted that on the surface, the numbers and ratings at CRP would appear misleading although he confirmed that the Timmerman claim was accurate.

    [Andy2] Well, I didn’t call this the Armchair Independent.. I believe strongly in Libertarian/Conservative principles as stated in the intro to this blog, “A Libertarian at heart, Troy believes that the role of government has been unreasonably expanded over the last century and now extends well beyond the original intent of the founding fathers.”

    I am biased, but I also try to be fair and present accurate information (I would guess that many would argue that point). As far as proving a negative, my logic is a little rusty, but the law of non-contradiction comes to mind.. If X is true than X cannot be ‘not true’. Another example might be that I didn’t shoot President Lincoln – and I can prove it!

  • Todd

    Yeah, McCain. That’s what I meant. Pardons. Your post whipped me into a frenzy. And hey, I was hoping for at least a grin on my “frequently you come across as implying (never concluding) #2″ line. Toilet humor is always a winner. Be well. I appreciate your posts and your research.

  • Troy Keith

    [Linnaea] Thought these might be of interest to you..

    http://www.palestra.net/videos/play/16469

    Click on the video links for:

    “Non-Partisan Volunteer?” And “Is Acorn Registering Voters Multiple Times?”

  • Ed Burley

    Al said: “How about using the Republican Secretary of Statae (sic) in Florida and the Republican majority on the Supreme Court to steal the election for President Cheney and Vice President Rove?”

    This again proves how ignorant our populace has become in regards to the Constitution. The Constitution of the United States, i.e., the rule of law, states that each state legislature will decide who their electors will be in the Electoral College vote which occurs AFTER the popular vote. IOW, it really doesn’t matter CONSTITUTIONALLY what the majority vote decides, IF the legislature of a particular state deems that one particular candidate has won, then that is who their electors will vote for in the Electoral College vote.

    When the Florida Supreme Court (who has no constitutional authority in elections) got involved with the vote counts, the Florida Legislature, which had a Republican majority, stated that they would send electors to vote for Bush, because he won the election (in the first count, which is the one that counts). It was only after the FSC began unconstitutionally interfering with the Florida Legislature that the US Supreme Court rightly got involved, and put the hammer down on a court that was acting unconstitutionally.

    That’s the truth of the matter. No election was stolen. Bush won, according to the constitution. If Al would like to prove me wrong using the Constitution, feel free. I will forewarn you that it is not possible to do so.

  • Troy Keith

    This is getting ridiculous.

    “The U.S. Supreme Court rules with Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, granting her a stay to a temporary restraining order from a federal appeals… ”

    “Bennett said Brunner could have set up a system months ago to check the discrepancies and that her actions have left the potential for voter fraud. If we have a close election in Ohio and there’s any doubts, the failures will be laid right at her doorstep,”

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/17/ohio-secretary-state-files-extension-compliance-circuit-court-voter-fraud/

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