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Obama’s Definitions of Children and Adults

Ed HahnenbergThe recent controversy regarding the administration’s opinion that fifteen-year-old and younger females should be able to go to a drug store and purchase emergency contraception, without a prescription from a doctor and without the parents’ knowledge, was set aside on April 5th by Judge Edward Korman, from the Eastern District of New York, who gave the FDA 30 days to remove age restrictions on the sale of emergency contraception, such as Plan B One-Step.

In his ruling, Korman was dismissive of the government’s arguments and, in particular, previous decisions by U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius that required girls under 17 to get a prescription for the emergency contraceptive. In 2011, Sebelius overruled a recommendation by the FDA to make the drug available to all women without a prescription. The FDA said at the time that it had well-supported scientific evidence that Plan B One-Step is a safe and effective way to prevent unintended pregnancy.

Sebelius, however, said she was concerned that very young girls couldn’t properly understand how to use the drug without assistance from an adult.

She invoked her authority under the federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act and directed FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg to issue “a complete response letter.” As a result, “the supplement for nonprescription use in females under the age of 17 is not approved,” Hamburg wrote at the time.

On May 1st Sebelius’ agency challenged Korman’s decision. The move is the latest chapter in a 10-year, controversial debate about who should have access to the drug and why.

Plan B prevents implantation of a fertilized egg in a woman’s uterus through use of levonorgestrel, a synthetic form of the hormone progesterone used for decades in birth control pills. Plan B contains 1.5 milligrams of levonorgestrel, more than “the Pill” contains. It is considered a form of birth control, not abortion by some. However, the Catholic Church maintains that Plan B is a form of abortion, because fertilization has taken place.

On May 2nd Rep. Steve Stockman (R), of Texas’s 36th congressional district, tweeted “Democrats on health care: 15-year-olds who want birth control are adults. 26-year-olds who want health insurance are children.” Admittedly, Stockman likes to shock. In April he made available a bumper sticker which read “If babies had guns, they wouldn’t be aborted.”

However, Stockman makes a good point. In Obamacare, “children” can remain on their parents’ health insurance until their 27th birthday. I don’t think I would call a 26-year-old woman a “child” with what that implies in the sense of housing, feeding, care, etc. that a parent would give a pre-teen.

Yet, the Obama administration considers those females who are 16 to be adults when it comes to Plan B. Judge Korman would go below 15. He’s just plain nuts.

As a former school administrator I could not give a student an aspirin without a parent’s permission. Yet, in this Orwellian world, Judge Korman feels it’s okay for females under 15 to go to the drug store and purchase the “morning-after” pill without anyone knowing.

Catholic Kathleen Sebelius and Obama himself are not much better in their positions. President Obama said on May 2nd he was comfortable with his administration’s decision to allow over-the-counter purchases of a morning-after pill for anyone 15 and older.

The Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday had lowered the age at which people can buy the Plan B One-Step morning-after pill without a prescription to 15 – younger than the current limit of 17. The FDA decided that the pill could be sold on drugstore shelves near condoms, instead of locked behind pharmacy counters.

Obama, speaking at a news conference while in Mexico, said the FDA’s decision was based on “solid scientific evidence.”

Mr. O, you are certainly no scientist, nor much of a person consistent on anything … and we have you leading this country until 2017. As a pro-life Catholic, I cannot wait until you leave office and stop inflicting your twisted moral logic on everyone … and don’t get me started on the economy, gay marriage, the regulations curtailing the coal industry, or the Benghazi cover-up.

  • JayAW

    Ed – Your final paragraph says it all. It’s amazing how people have been brainwashed by the media into putting Obama on a pedestal. He’s even more slippery than Clinton could ever dream to be.

  • Ed Hahnenberg

    I can see that blogging on the Record Eagle is gasping at its last breath. No one seems to be writing or reading. When Jeanne retired, she said Record Eagle blogging was not going to be a priority. No offense to Andy Taylor, but maybe, like Jeanne, I’ll retire from blogging as well. After 355 posts in two categories (astronomy and theology), my bar (and that of the Record Eagle) has reached as high as anyone will have gone, or will go, in the future. I don’t want to be the only player in an empty stadium. Adios.

  • Henry Klugh

    Gee Ed, the last time I looked you claimed that you were never going to post here again, You ended your comment with “adios.” Now that comment seems to have evaporated. What gives?

  • Ed Hahnenberg

    Thank you JayAW…This will be the last blog post for me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Homer-Thiel/1407870055 Homer Thiel

    I look forward to the day when I do not have to see the hate spewed by Ed Hahnenberg on the Record Eagle website.In particular, if you don’t like gay marriage, don’t have one bigot.

    • Ed Hahnenberg

      Homer…The day has arrived.

    • jeff4

      I actually enjoy his hate spewing Homer. It reminds me that the good old USA has freedom of speech. Ed is free to spout hate and his opinion and we’re here to tell him he’s wrong. It always ends in impasse, but that’s ok with me. I defend Ed’s right to say what he says to the death of me! Now, is Ed correct???????? NO.

  • jeff4

    its getting crowded up in heaven Ed…. literally billions of fertilized eggs which failed to implant in the uterus are up there, poor souls!!! http://reason.com/archives/2004/12/22/is-heaven-populated-chiefly-by The fertilized egg is a prized possession according to the catholic church and it’s spokesman Ed H. Why doesn’t the church take action to save the 50-80% of fertilized eggs which fail to implant??????????????!!!!!!!!!!! Ed, you will not read the article i’ve posted – you will get about a paragraph in and stop. I dare you to read it all. Like the title of the website, REASON.COM, its reason and logic based instead of the opinions of some men trying to run a religion.

    As for trying to foist twisted logic on people, you’ve done it to us on this blog for years now Ed, no sense pointing fingers at Obama for the world’s troubles.

    You are ending your blogging here on Theology? This is, if i remember correctly, your second retirement!

    • jeff4

      Ed has no response obviously … deafening silence…

      • Ed Hahnenberg

        J4… My “2nd retirement” from posting at the RE is really permanent. I have answered your REASON website question before, as well as all your other replies (must be in the hundreds). You can always follow me at http://theologytodayandtheworld.blogspot.com/. Have a nice summer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-McWethy/1443696295 Don McWethy

    Do you understand how little sense this column makes? First, he’s completely wrong about the administration position, saying that they wanted girls 15 and under to be able to get plan B, when that is the OPPOSITE of their position. Then he calls 26 year olds “children”, even though the administration has never used that term. But conservatives never let facts get in the way of their ideology.

    • Ed Hahnenberg

      Don…If you don’t read the blog, you will get the facts wrong, as you have. Read http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-the-plan-b-morning-after-pill-be-available-to-15-year-olds where it leads with the following “The Food and Drug Administration this week ruled that emergency contraception – the Plan B One-Step morning after pill– should be available to 15-year-olds without a prescription, lowering the age from 17. The decision also allows the pill to be displayed on pharmacy shelves, rather than held behind the counter.”

      As to 26 year olds, the term “adult children” and “youths” are used, but read “The Affordable Care Act requires plans and issuers that offer coverage to children on their parents’ plan to make the coverage available until the adult child reaches the age of 26.” (5th paragraph down) at http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/fact_sheet_young_adults_may10.pdf

  • http://www.thearmchairconservative.com Troy Keith

    Good luck with things Ed.. It gets easier after a couple of weeks but if
    you ever start to miss it, just bang your head against a wall for 20
    minutes and you’ll start to feel better. I’d always thought a more
    conservative viewpoint (even buried within the blogs) would be of great
    benefit to the Record Eagle. At the time, I wrote several letters to the
    editors trying to offer a few suggestions and resolve what I felt were
    minor issues but received no response whatsoever. As they say,
    “forward!”

    • Ed Hahnenberg

      Troy…Amen to that. You’ve ALWAYS been a voice of reason. I can’t imagine what this past week or two of the revelations of the Obama administration’s corruption has done for your blood pressure. One of the funniest observations was John Stewart’s comment on the Daily Show, John Stewart had this to say about the President on May 14th: “The first time the President heard that Bin Laden had been killed was when he saw himself announcing it on television.” You can see the entire clip on this and the other items on the President’s plate of ridiculous responses at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=602RdrxgyqY

    • Bobdisqus

      Well if Ed is no longer to tilt, perhaps TK will take the laptop to the armchair again and look for windmills. The pain is there to remind us we are yet alive. Here is the question I would like to see addressed. What is a child with an IQ of 85 (http://www.comfsm.fm/~dleeling/statistics/normal_curve.gif) or less to do? How do we assure that said child has a future that makes them an integral part of our society? The world needs ditch diggers too is no longer an answer. Agriculture has already gone to single digits and manufacturing is soon to follow.

      For all their claims of knowledge of pedagogy I see little that would lead me to believe the likes of Henry and Jeff even think about this let alone have any answers for us. They would have it that the world is like Lake Woebegone and if we would only put more money into the education system all would be right with the world.

      • Ed Hahnenberg

        Bob…The solution is for you or Gene to become RE bloggers and perpetuate the RE online activity ad infinitum. You really ought to get a picture up, though, if you decide to, so we can all get to see what you really look like…even those who have IQs less than 85, or those of us who are in agriculture. By the way my asparagus is coming up gangbusters! We do need more rain, though, and that will keep everyone indoors to read yours or Gene’s blog…

        • Bobdisqus

          Ed, I am sure you know there was no implication about you specifically or farmers in general, however that is the sort of self-depreciating humor that will make me miss your contribution. The Sherman family used to have asparagus next to the back side of my parents property and I spent a couple of summers and one winter working for them (cherries and beans, mostly). I grew up here in northern Michigan with my bare feet in the dirt and am no stranger to the farm.

          For me the RE blogs tend to be procrastination. Something I do when I know there is real work I should be doing that I don’t want to think about. My hairline is enough indignity on its own; I have no need or desire to display my mug to the world.

          • Ed Hahnenberg

            Bob…Thank you. I just received a great compliment from a gentleman. He said my writings reflected John the Baptist being “a voice crying in the wilderness. Maybe my million words over three years have done some good. I’ll sleep well.

      • Henry Klugh

        For all their claims of knowledge of pedagogy I see
        little that would lead me to believe the likes of Henry and Jeff even think
        about this let alone have any answers for us. They would have it that the world
        is like Lake Woebegone and if we would only put more money into the education
        system all would be right with the world.

        That is pure Bull S### and you know it! Where in
        anything I’ve posted do I claim “knowledge of pedagogy.” I have thought about
        this enough to get grant support from NIMH for a fair amount of research which has been
        published in a referred journals. There is no easy answer to this problem but
        it sure as hell isn’t helped by snarky comments like yours which are obviously
        designed to start a political kerfuffle.

        If you seriously want a rational discussion of this problem
        I’ll be happy to post some of the ways it is currently being handled, but since
        I’ve not seen any interest from you in this problem before I doubt that you’re
        really interested.

        • Bobdisqus

          Henry, I confess I do like to poke in the occasional metaphorical stick to see what reaction it brings. I hardly think you can post a blog based on your life as a professor and then say you have not made some claim to knowledge of pedagogy. Let us take a little look at Amazon to see who makes some claims of ability to provide insight in this area. Dr. Klugh you can’t have it both ways.

          http://www.amazon.com/Cutting-College-Costs-Other-Students/dp/1466363630/ref=sr_1_10?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1369839132&sr=1-10

          The question I posed was sincere. If anything I may have understated my worry. I used 85 in my statement, but I fear the problems extend to a lesser extent for the whole left half.

          • Henry Klugh

            Ed has several advanced degrees in “pedagogy.” I’ve never had a course in education. Your reason for excluding Ed from your concerns is…perhaps just general admiration?

          • Bobdisqus

            I would never exclude Ed. There are some on here who might for what they see as his hate filled views, but I think he is a fine old papist and respect his views even when I don’t share them.

  • Ed Hahnenberg

    J4…Totally voluntary…and I agree that Google blogs, being free, don’t attract many followers. 355 blogs on the RE for over three years is quite enough for me. I have too much to do on the farm and my expertise, while always in astronomy and theology, I am just not interested in RE blogging anymore.

  • Ed Hahnenberg

    J4…On the merry-go-round again, are we?

  • Ed Hahnenberg

    J4…I agree that a fertilized egg is not a new person. There is no personality. I disagree with you in that a fertilized egg is not the beginning of a new life. It is a new life, and because it is a new life it is sacred. Birth, after 9 months or earlier in the case of Caesarian delivery, is not the limit of viability. With new technologies, such as ultrasounds, viability can be pushed back farther than Roe v. Wade ever envisioned. You accuse me of offering a sneaky answer. Nothing sneaky. Note the stages of development. This is not a cucumber. This is a human being developing into a human person and thus sacred.

  • Ed Hahnenberg

    J4….The Catholic Church mandates that life is sacred from conception, and any deliberate attempt to kill a fertilized egg is immoral. Because a fertilized egg does not implant, even though gifted by God as a new and sacred life, does not make the mother a murderer. No holocaust, nor does the Church suggest any plans to save them. That would be ridiculous. Nature will take its course and there is no moral obligation to treat non-implanted eggs as persons. Remember, a fertilized egg is not a person. Once implanted, though, it is immoral to destroy it. That is why the “morning-after” pill is rejected by the Church.

    • jeff4

      I’m sure these rules are found in the scripture right Ed? Scripture based information is the rule of law in the catholic church. Wait, no scripture to back this up? So, let me guess, MEN made these rules. Fallible, often confused, often misguided, men. I do admit, i like your use of the word “NATURE” in your answer. Nature will take it’s course, I like that. So, lets follow this to a logical conclusion – if the woman’s BODY decides the time is not right, the egg is “bad”, the chromosome number is not right, the BODY decides to not let it implant. That’s ok by the catholic church, right? Now, the egg implants and the woman’s MIND (part of her BODY) says, “hey wait, I”m on drugs, i don’t have a job, I can’t care for a baby, I’m 17, and i can’t do it” then the morning after pill rejects the egg exactly 0.00006 seconds after implant. This is an immediate and moral outrage to the catholic church??? Wow, didnt realize a split second and half could be the difference between a holocaust and nature doing its thing.

      • Ed Hahnenberg

        J4…Dance on the head of a pin if you like, Jeff, but I have better things to do with my life. I am done blogging, and now done with replying to you. You’re welcome to have the last word, if you like.

        • jeff4

          when the going get’s tough, Ed gets going. No last word by me, just your deafening silence again.

          • jeff4

            You have better things to do with your life? Then why do you open yourself up to these tough questions with blogging????? Tough questions require tough answers. At least say I’m right. One second the mothers body can reject the holy fertilized egg and the next second her mind can’t or it’s the holocaust.

          • jeff4

            I’ll take your lack of a response as a white flag that you have no counter argument against my post above – the woman’s body and mind CAN work together to make the best choice about when to have a child enter our world. Its her BODIE’S choice.

  • Ed Hahnenberg

    From the New York Times June 10th: “The Obama administration has decided to stop trying to block over-the-counter availability of the most popular morning-after contraceptive pill for all women and girls, a move fraught with political repercussions for President Obama.

    “The reversal by the government means that any woman or girl will soon be able to walk into a drugstore and buy the pill, Plan B One-Step, without a prescription.”

    There is no morality in this administration.

    Just this weekend, the New York Times editorial board declared: “This administration has lost all credibility.”

    I believe nothing Obama or his surrogates says anymore. He will go down as history’s worst president.

    • jeff4

      want to guess how old this embryo is Ed? take a guess. Ok, i will tell you. its 11 weeks. This is the embryo of an elephant at 11 weeks. cool huh?

  • Bobdisqus

    Ed any comment with respect to the popes private comments made public about Pelagianism and the pink mafia in the church?

    http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/2319/report_pope_francis_acknowledges_curia_gay_lobby_expresses_concern_over_pelagian_traditionalists_updated.aspx#.Ube0wtjn-Uk

    • Bobdisqus

      That should be Pope’s. I know there is only one even if there is a pope emeritus.

    • Ed Hahnenberg

      Bob…There is no doubt there are homosexuals in the clergy. I have also heard of nuns dissing prayer to pray in a cosmic mental environment. Pelagianism is the belief that original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special Divine aid. I don’t doubt that all of these things are present in some form at the highest levels of the Church, or at least sympathetic agreement in the minds of this or that cardinal. No excuses. However, if Pope Francis continues to call for care for the poor and marginalized, he will bring the Church and the world closer to the Christian message. He admits to not being a good manager. As long as he remains pope, though, he can call the shots on the hidden scandals inside the clergy.

      • jeff4

        universal health care? care for the poor and sick? what an inspirational message!! YES! finally some catholic church doctrine i can believe in. Good message Pope Francis!

      • jeff4

        homosexuals in the clergy CAN NOW MARRY TOO! DOMA IS DEAD and LOVE IS LOVE. Equality in the eyes of the law, the catholic church is next!

  • Bobdisqus

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